Personality "Save Sent" & "Bcc" via SMTP - Page 6

janniklindquist · 16 Jan 2007, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sherry
Rob explains that in the first post of this thread.

Sherry

Silly me :-) Thanks, Sherry - and what an incredibly cool feature :-)

janniklindquist · 16 Jan 2007, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by janniklindquist
Silly me :-) Thanks, Sherry - and what an incredibly cool feature :-)

It would be even cooler, if the signature of a given personality was applied when sending from email-software, though...

robmueller · 17 Jan 2007, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by janniklindquist
It would be even cooler, if the signature of a given personality was applied when sending from email-software, though...

Very hard to in the arbitrary case unfortunately. Yes in most cases email software sends plain text emails, or fairly simple multipart/alternative emails with text and html parts, but not everything does, and being able to interpret an arbitrary MIME structure as well as possibly a complex HTML structure to insert the signature in the right way and right place is a lot of work. It's theoretically possible, but the edge cases to make it work with every email client would take months, not something I really want to attempt sorry...

Rob

janniklindquist · 17 Jan 2007, 06:04 PM

No problem, Rob. I can see how complex it would be to make it work. Anyhow, it was certainly a low priority wish. I'm much more interested in LDAP-support (or whatever the solution to the AB-sync issues may be).

pillshovel · 28 Feb 2007, 03:25 AM

Has this feature been removed? I don't seem to have it anymore. It used to be there but now it isn't. I have verified that I am logging into the beta site.

robmueller · 28 Feb 2007, 06:16 PM

It's on production now. Beta actually has a separate software branch at the moment with one or two things missing...

Rob

pillshovel · 28 Feb 2007, 08:53 PM

Thanks for the quick response!

aussieboykie · 26 Mar 2007, 03:28 PM

This is a really neat feature. Congratulations to the FastMail team. It has encouraged me to make the move from a complex custom script back to a simple set of Defined Rules and with one exception I can still do everything I need.

The exception is that I would like to save to Folder-X if a message was sent from a client (Outlook) and to Folder-Y if it was sent from the web interface. I am on the road using the web interface and there is an administrator in the office using Outlook as a client. In this scenario, by monitoring Folder-X I would be able to see what the administrator has sent (it would be preferable for mail sent from the client to be left marked as unread) and Outlook could be set up to POP from Folder-Y for the administrator to see what I have sent. If everything goes into the same bucket then Outlook POP picks up copies of messages that are already in the local Sent Items on the administrator's system.

Regards, AB

aussieboykie · 27 Mar 2007, 10:55 AM

Generated rules for this feature...

Quote:

if header :contains ["x-resolved-to"] "+personalitysentitem-1234@" {
setflag "\\Seen";
fileinto "INBOX.Sent Items";
stop;
}

...are added to the front of the underlying Sieve script. If there was an option in Define Rules to add user supplied advanced rules ahead of these generated ones then I could simply trap all "personalitysentitem" messages, file where I want to, and then stop. As things stand, the only solution appears to be to revert to customising the generated script which I'd like to avoid.

Regards, AB

P.S. I'd also like to be able to choose whether or not to setflag "\\Seen"

retposhto · 3 Jan 2008, 08:10 AM

I just want to confirm that this method (Personailities: BCC via SMTP) avoids the IMAP servers and operates in exactly the same way as if you send a bcc to your backup account from your own email client. I'm setting up a redundancy plan for my mum involving aliases (as described by akorvemaker: http://wiki.fastmail.fm/index.php?ti...gFMakorvemaker). I'm tempted to use this BCC option in Personalities instead of faffing around trying to set up Outlook to do this! (I know Thunderbird would be much easier, but Mum's got used to Outlook

)

So, if there should be an IMAP server problem, then would the SMTP servers still direct my mum's sent emails to her gmail backup account?! - Obviously, I'm glad that Fastmail now has excellent backup servers in action that can be quickly switched to, but I like to be extra safe!

Sorry if this is a silly question and it's been answered elsewhere! (I got a bit lost in all the technical stuff!).

By the way, I was really chuffed to see this feature implemented by Fastmail! Yet another reason to stick with this quality email provider.

BritTim · 3 Jan 2008, 10:22 AM

So, if there should be an IMAP server problem, then would the SMTP servers still direct my mum's sent emails to her gmail backup account?

Yes.

retposhto · 3 Jan 2008, 11:27 AM

Thanks, BritTim!

This is definitely a cool feature, then. It'll also help me on my Mac as there's no automatic BCC option in the Mail app. (there's a workaround via the terminal, but then this overrides anything else that you might later put into the bcc field... Not ideal)

dB247365 · 5 Jan 2008, 04:18 PM

I came to the forum today to find out why email I send using Mail doesn't show up in my FM Sent folder.

I'm really glad to find this discussion. Problem is - it went over my head. So to clarify ...

I'm logged into my account at fastmail.net. In Personalities I see this option:

Sent Items on SMTP - Also save to folder when sending via email software.

Okay. It seems that's the option I want. I check the box.

But when I click Save Personality, the box un-checks itself, and thus I'm unable to select that option.

What do I need to do to ensure mail is saved both to the Sent folder in Mail, and also to the Sent folder in my FM account.

n5bb · 5 Jan 2008, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dB247365

... But when I click Save Personality, the box un-checks itself, and thus I'm unable to select that option.

What do I need to do to ensure mail is saved both to the Sent folder in Mail, and also to the Sent folder in my FM account.

Thanks for your post. It appears to me that the Personality screen is broken on both the normal and beta logins. None of the checkboxes seem to work correctly, and I can't make the Sent items on SMTP feature work today. It was previously working fine, and must have been broken recently.

Bill

retposhto · 5 Jan 2008, 11:57 PM

Yes, it's broken. I used it just two days ago, though, and it was working fine then. Something must have gone wrong with it in the meantime... Hopefully it will be fixed soon.

By the way, having selected the checkbox for BCC via SMTP two days ago, it was still being shown as selected and the BCC feature was working (I checked my google backup account and the mail was still arriving there). Then, for the sake of experiment, I unchecked the box and saved it. This worked. The BCC via SMTP stopped (nothing arrived at my google account). But now, I can't turn this feature back on again!! (Yes, I know - I asked for it

)

Dear Fastmail, can you fix this, please?!

3 Jan 2008, 08:10 AM	#85
retposhto Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 44	Is this good for a Redundancy plan? I just want to confirm that this method (Personailities: BCC via SMTP) avoids the IMAP servers and operates in exactly the same way as if you send a bcc to your backup account from your own email client. I'm setting up a redundancy plan for my mum involving aliases (as described by akorvemaker: http://wiki.fastmail.fm/index.php?ti...gFMakorvemaker). I'm tempted to use this BCC option in Personalities instead of faffing around trying to set up Outlook to do this! (I know Thunderbird would be much easier, but Mum's got used to Outlook ) So, if there should be an IMAP server problem, then would the SMTP servers still direct my mum's sent emails to her gmail backup account?! - Obviously, I'm glad that Fastmail now has excellent backup servers in action that can be quickly switched to, but I like to be extra safe! Sorry if this is a silly question and it's been answered elsewhere! (I got a bit lost in all the technical stuff!). By the way, I was really chuffed to see this feature implemented by Fastmail! Yet another reason to stick with this quality email provider.

17 Jan 2007, 06:04 PM	#79
janniklindquist Essential Contributor Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 300	No problem, Rob. I can see how complex it would be to make it work. Anyhow, it was certainly a low priority wish. I'm much more interested in LDAP-support (or whatever the solution to the AB-sync issues may be).

28 Feb 2007, 03:25 AM	#80
pillshovel Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 11	Has this feature been removed? I don't seem to have it anymore. It used to be there but now it isn't. I have verified that I am logging into the beta site.

28 Feb 2007, 06:16 PM	#81
robmueller Intergalactic Postmaster Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 6,102 Representative of: Fastmail.FM	It's on production now. Beta actually has a separate software branch at the moment with one or two things missing... Rob

28 Feb 2007, 08:53 PM	#82
pillshovel Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 11	Thanks for the quick response!

26 Mar 2007, 03:28 PM	#83
aussieboykie Essential Contributor Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 475	This is a really neat feature. Congratulations to the FastMail team. It has encouraged me to make the move from a complex custom script back to a simple set of Defined Rules and with one exception I can still do everything I need. The exception is that I would like to save to Folder-X if a message was sent from a client (Outlook) and to Folder-Y if it was sent from the web interface. I am on the road using the web interface and there is an administrator in the office using Outlook as a client. In this scenario, by monitoring Folder-X I would be able to see what the administrator has sent (it would be preferable for mail sent from the client to be left marked as unread) and Outlook could be set up to POP from Folder-Y for the administrator to see what I have sent. If everything goes into the same bucket then Outlook POP picks up copies of messages that are already in the local Sent Items on the administrator's system. Regards, AB

3 Jan 2008, 10:22 AM	#86
BritTim The "e" in e-mail Join Date: May 2003 Location: mostly in Thailand Posts: 3,125	So, if there should be an IMAP server problem, then would the SMTP servers still direct my mum's sent emails to her gmail backup account? Yes.

3 Jan 2008, 11:27 AM	#87
retposhto Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 44	Thanks, BritTim! This is definitely a cool feature, then. It'll also help me on my Mac as there's no automatic BCC option in the Mail app. (there's a workaround via the terminal, but then this overrides anything else that you might later put into the bcc field... Not ideal)

5 Jan 2008, 04:18 PM	#88
dB247365 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3	I came to the forum today to find out why email I send using Mail doesn't show up in my FM Sent folder. I'm really glad to find this discussion. Problem is - it went over my head. So to clarify ... I'm logged into my account at fastmail.net. In Personalities I see this option: Sent Items on SMTP - Also save to folder when sending via email software. Okay. It seems that's the option I want. I check the box. But when I click Save Personality, the box un-checks itself, and thus I'm unable to select that option. What do I need to do to ensure mail is saved both to the Sent folder in Mail, and also to the Sent folder in my FM account.

5 Jan 2008, 11:57 PM	#90
retposhto Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 44	Yes, it's broken. I used it just two days ago, though, and it was working fine then. Something must have gone wrong with it in the meantime... Hopefully it will be fixed soon. By the way, having selected the checkbox for BCC via SMTP two days ago, it was still being shown as selected and the BCC feature was working (I checked my google backup account and the mail was still arriving there). Then, for the sake of experiment, I unchecked the box and saved it. This worked. The BCC via SMTP stopped (nothing arrived at my google account). But now, I can't turn this feature back on again!! (Yes, I know - I asked for it ) Dear Fastmail, can you fix this, please?!